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		<title>By: stuartdelony</title>
		<link>http://theramblings.org/2007/05/13/battle-cry-a-mixed-messge/comment-page-1/#comment-3145</link>
		<dc:creator>stuartdelony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Andi. I agree with you on the fact that ATF is off track.

Thanks for stopping by, feel free to comment anytime you want. We may be Christians around here, but we're not very religious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Andi. I agree with you on the fact that ATF is off track.</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by, feel free to comment anytime you want. We may be Christians around here, but we&#8217;re not very religious.</p>
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		<title>By: Andi</title>
		<link>http://theramblings.org/2007/05/13/battle-cry-a-mixed-messge/comment-page-1/#comment-3141</link>
		<dc:creator>Andi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not religious, so I apologise if my opinion seems to be offensive in any way.

I am not against religion, but I am against Battlecry. I think it is disgusting that Luce is pulling the strings on todays youth and telling them o seperate themselves from the world, shove it aside- throw away the world around and accept a pure religious life. there's nothing wrong with being devoted to a religion, but the very fact that he gives the children this choice "The world or Jesus?" makes this sound like a religious cult.

This may be jumping to conclusions, but it's all very cult like and certainly not like real Christianity. 

He wants to make America (and incidently every other country) run by theocracy and I feel that's unfair because there are other religions out there that they also have to respect (if you read his blog, you'll find him whining about Muslims "Taking over Africa" as if they are evil or diseased).

What sickens me also is how he wants to censor the media. The media is the very epitome of communication and free speech. It is very hypocritical to use the media, use advertising and use marketing to lure kids into Battlecry and yet boycott it at the same time.

Still, great way to beat the competition- call your rival evil and a money grubbing monster.

I don't want to live in a world where I'm ostracised because I watched something that isn't "wholesome" entertainment- even if it is a cinematic masterpiece like Pulp Fiction, for instance (which has a lot of religious themes in it).

The media is for everyone and everyone has the right to believe in whatever they want about god, the universe and so on, so Luce can shove his agenda where the sun don't shine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not religious, so I apologise if my opinion seems to be offensive in any way.</p>
<p>I am not against religion, but I am against Battlecry. I think it is disgusting that Luce is pulling the strings on todays youth and telling them o seperate themselves from the world, shove it aside- throw away the world around and accept a pure religious life. there&#8217;s nothing wrong with being devoted to a religion, but the very fact that he gives the children this choice &#8220;The world or Jesus?&#8221; makes this sound like a religious cult.</p>
<p>This may be jumping to conclusions, but it&#8217;s all very cult like and certainly not like real Christianity. </p>
<p>He wants to make America (and incidently every other country) run by theocracy and I feel that&#8217;s unfair because there are other religions out there that they also have to respect (if you read his blog, you&#8217;ll find him whining about Muslims &#8220;Taking over Africa&#8221; as if they are evil or diseased).</p>
<p>What sickens me also is how he wants to censor the media. The media is the very epitome of communication and free speech. It is very hypocritical to use the media, use advertising and use marketing to lure kids into Battlecry and yet boycott it at the same time.</p>
<p>Still, great way to beat the competition- call your rival evil and a money grubbing monster.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to live in a world where I&#8217;m ostracised because I watched something that isn&#8217;t &#8220;wholesome&#8221; entertainment- even if it is a cinematic masterpiece like Pulp Fiction, for instance (which has a lot of religious themes in it).</p>
<p>The media is for everyone and everyone has the right to believe in whatever they want about god, the universe and so on, so Luce can shove his agenda where the sun don&#8217;t shine.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
		<link>http://theramblings.org/2007/05/13/battle-cry-a-mixed-messge/comment-page-1/#comment-897</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 18:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus or society whats your influence?

Everything that the world has to offer is a fake replica of what God Truley designed. Self image is one of them.whats on the inside determines whether a person is attractive or not.

There are two scriptures i know of right now off of the top of my head that has to do with that the first on is where Jesus states that ppl dress up the outside to look good but really on the inside its filthy and He used a cup to explain it....The second one He tells us its out of mens hearts that defile a man not what goes in .....

The enemy has twisted things to decieve our generation and our society has prohibited true morals ....they cant stand the ten commandments to be displayed...it presents truth and yet cus its from God they wont allow it....

Jesus states " I am the way the truth and the life ..." He is the way out of ppl circumstances and complications the way to a new future Jesus says " Behold i come to make ALL THINGS NEW!!!"He is the only truth and the only way to heaven "....noone goes to the father exept through me" - Jesus. Yet PEOPLE VIEW HIM AS A RELIGION AND HES TIRED OF BEING LABLED AS A RELIGION AND GOING UNNOTICED!!!! Hes not a religon Hes a savior 304-580-1354</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus or society whats your influence?</p>
<p>Everything that the world has to offer is a fake replica of what God Truley designed. Self image is one of them.whats on the inside determines whether a person is attractive or not.</p>
<p>There are two scriptures i know of right now off of the top of my head that has to do with that the first on is where Jesus states that ppl dress up the outside to look good but really on the inside its filthy and He used a cup to explain it&#8230;.The second one He tells us its out of mens hearts that defile a man not what goes in &#8230;..</p>
<p>The enemy has twisted things to decieve our generation and our society has prohibited true morals &#8230;.they cant stand the ten commandments to be displayed&#8230;it presents truth and yet cus its from God they wont allow it&#8230;.</p>
<p>Jesus states &#8221; I am the way the truth and the life &#8230;&#8221; He is the way out of ppl circumstances and complications the way to a new future Jesus says &#8221; Behold i come to make ALL THINGS NEW!!!&#8221;He is the only truth and the only way to heaven &#8220;&#8230;.noone goes to the father exept through me&#8221; - Jesus. Yet PEOPLE VIEW HIM AS A RELIGION AND HES TIRED OF BEING LABLED AS A RELIGION AND GOING UNNOTICED!!!! Hes not a religon Hes a savior 304-580-1354</p>
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		<title>By: stuartdelony</title>
		<link>http://theramblings.org/2007/05/13/battle-cry-a-mixed-messge/comment-page-1/#comment-896</link>
		<dc:creator>stuartdelony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 03:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corey,

Thanks your comment. I appreciate your taking time to share.

I think when you say 'we' you mean me in this comment. And then at that point I'd disagree with you.

There is no fight for kids lives. Were not the savior. That's Christ's job. He did the fighting and saving already.

Our job? Invest and have a relationship with young people. Let them see Christ in us.

And the battle? If we're quoting scripture here's one: For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Eph 6:12

I think there's a battle, but if Ron Luce is fighting culture he fighting in the wrong place.

Why should we spend time "fighting culture" to win people back? I'd rather spend time hanging out with kids and showing them that I love them (like Christ did). And for fighting, I fight on my knees in prayer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corey,</p>
<p>Thanks your comment. I appreciate your taking time to share.</p>
<p>I think when you say &#8216;we&#8217; you mean me in this comment. And then at that point I&#8217;d disagree with you.</p>
<p>There is no fight for kids lives. Were not the savior. That&#8217;s Christ&#8217;s job. He did the fighting and saving already.</p>
<p>Our job? Invest and have a relationship with young people. Let them see Christ in us.</p>
<p>And the battle? If we&#8217;re quoting scripture here&#8217;s one: For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Eph 6:12</p>
<p>I think there&#8217;s a battle, but if Ron Luce is fighting culture he fighting in the wrong place.</p>
<p>Why should we spend time &#8220;fighting culture&#8221; to win people back? I&#8217;d rather spend time hanging out with kids and showing them that I love them (like Christ did). And for fighting, I fight on my knees in prayer.</p>
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		<title>By: Corey Gibson</title>
		<link>http://theramblings.org/2007/05/13/battle-cry-a-mixed-messge/comment-page-1/#comment-898</link>
		<dc:creator>Corey Gibson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we are missing the point behind Battlecry/Ron Luce.... This is a fight for the lives of the teens and if we don't engage in this battle with force we will surely lose the war!!!

And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force. --- Matthew 11:12 (nkjv)

And from the days of John the Baptist until the present time, the kingdom of heaven has endured violent assault, and violent men seize it by force --- Matthew 11:12 (amplified)

I think we also need to reevaluate what being a Christian is and how we play our role as co-heirs with Christ Jesus. Most "Christians" don't have a true idea about what the cross meant and how we are 100% desired/loved by God. Ron Luce is taking this approach in a well-handled manner.

There are other conferences available... such as the Dare2Share conference. wwww.dare2share.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we are missing the point behind Battlecry/Ron Luce&#8230;. This is a fight for the lives of the teens and if we don&#8217;t engage in this battle with force we will surely lose the war!!!</p>
<p>And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force. &#8212; Matthew 11:12 (nkjv)</p>
<p>And from the days of John the Baptist until the present time, the kingdom of heaven has endured violent assault, and violent men seize it by force &#8212; Matthew 11:12 (amplified)</p>
<p>I think we also need to reevaluate what being a Christian is and how we play our role as co-heirs with Christ Jesus. Most &#8220;Christians&#8221; don&#8217;t have a true idea about what the cross meant and how we are 100% desired/loved by God. Ron Luce is taking this approach in a well-handled manner.</p>
<p>There are other conferences available&#8230; such as the Dare2Share conference. wwww.dare2share.org</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Roberts</title>
		<link>http://theramblings.org/2007/05/13/battle-cry-a-mixed-messge/comment-page-1/#comment-886</link>
		<dc:creator>Gina Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 11:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree with your statement 100% up until the seminar in Dallas this past March. And then, I saw a shift... maybe even an evolution in his message. I heard him repeatedly counseling the droves of teens to resist the temptation to attend an altar call out of emotional motivation or peer pressure. (A first for Luce.) FINALLY, he didn't do one of those salvation prayers! The emphasis seemed to be on trying to get the teens to wake up to what the media was feeding them. And that their self-image should come from the Creator, not society. EXACTLY.
I agree, it's not in the event, its in the everyday living of the message that our teens grow their faith. "Transformation by the renewing of the MIND."
Battlecry is just one event. But we are definitely at war... there is a real enemy. And namby pamby, feel-good religion won't win the battle. Who can turn to a teddy-bear god when in a time of real crisis? We've gotta show our youth our God - one of justice AND of mercy. Personally, I've got my youth in B.A.S.I.C. Training: (Be About Service In Christ).
It's a process!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree with your statement 100% up until the seminar in Dallas this past March. And then, I saw a shift&#8230; maybe even an evolution in his message. I heard him repeatedly counseling the droves of teens to resist the temptation to attend an altar call out of emotional motivation or peer pressure. (A first for Luce.) FINALLY, he didn&#8217;t do one of those salvation prayers! The emphasis seemed to be on trying to get the teens to wake up to what the media was feeding them. And that their self-image should come from the Creator, not society. EXACTLY.<br />
I agree, it&#8217;s not in the event, its in the everyday living of the message that our teens grow their faith. &#8220;Transformation by the renewing of the MIND.&#8221;<br />
Battlecry is just one event. But we are definitely at war&#8230; there is a real enemy. And namby pamby, feel-good religion won&#8217;t win the battle. Who can turn to a teddy-bear god when in a time of real crisis? We&#8217;ve gotta show our youth our God - one of justice AND of mercy. Personally, I&#8217;ve got my youth in B.A.S.I.C. Training: (Be About Service In Christ).<br />
It&#8217;s a process!</p>
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		<title>By: stuartdelony</title>
		<link>http://theramblings.org/2007/05/13/battle-cry-a-mixed-messge/comment-page-1/#comment-895</link>
		<dc:creator>stuartdelony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 15:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Gina. I'd agree with about everything you said, but it just feels that he's getting kids to follow a Christlike movement, but not Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Gina. I&#8217;d agree with about everything you said, but it just feels that he&#8217;s getting kids to follow a Christlike movement, but not Christ.</p>
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